Tigermeet... What order to go in?

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:51 pm

Hey guys.
There's a lot going on in my life right now, but i need to build and paint a model. I'll just be grabbing a suitable one from the pile, glueing it together and painting it up.
But i fancy doing a Tigermeet colour scheme.
So, my question to all the great painters reading this is what order should the paint be applied?
Do i paint the craft in normal grey, then mask the grey and add the tiger colours?
Or do i paint the tiger scheme, then mask that off and paint the grey over the top?
In case anyone is wondering, it's the "peeling" Tigermeet scheme i am planning.
Thanks in advance for any help you can be.

Johnnycrash · Post by **Johnnycrash** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:00 pm

Well, since most of the it is grey, and it's the lightest colour... I would start with it.

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:03 pm

Johnnycrash wrote:Well, since most of the it is grey, and it's the lightest colour... I would start with it.

Okay. One vote for the grey first.
Have you ever done a Tigermeet paintjob yourself at all?

Johnnycrash · Post by **Johnnycrash** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:28 pm

Bar wrote:Have you ever done a Tigermeet paintjob yourself at all?

Not exactly. I mean, I did do a 1/144 Tornado. But the Tigermeet stripes where decals, so...

rpauly · Post by **rpauly** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:37 pm

Think I'd go with the orange first, then the base light gray of the peeling sections. Mask it all off and do the dark shadows under the peels, mask again and do the fuselage gray. Last thing would be the tiger stripes.

But, that's just me...

BTW, that is quite possibly THE coolest Tiger Meet scheme I've ever seen.

photoguy · Post by **photoguy** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:44 pm

Here's the one I did a couple of years ago.
http://ipmstristate.org/GalleryPictures/tigerf16.JPG

Start with the gray, mask off the area for the tiger stripes, and then the tricky part will be masking off the "tears" and painting those.

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:58 pm

Thanks a lot for the ideas guys. It's all great food for thought!
I love it when a plan comes together!

kenlilly106 · Post by **kenlilly106** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:58 pm

I'd do it in this order:

-Paint a base coat of white in the stripe areas
-Paint the stripe colors
-Mask around the edges of the tiger parts and shoot the grays since they'll cover the oranges and yellows in fewer coats
-Use the "torn" parts to hide the paint ridges between the 2 colors

Ken

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:01 pm

Thanks.
I think my personal problem is that i have no idea what will look coolest in terms of where the torn parts should be on this particular model.
So i might need to paint the entire thing in the tiger stripes first, THEN work out the perfect areas to leave with the stripes...
But these ideas are all brilliant.
It's all helping me visualise what i need to do.

Kylwell · Post by **Kylwell** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:15 pm

Stripes (what ever color) first. Makes masking soooo much easier.

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:25 am

Kylwell wrote:Stripes (what ever color) first. Makes masking soooo much easier.

Right.
That makes sense.
So, if i read that correctly, a thorough coat of black, and then latex to mask off the stripes, then the yellow/orange on top, then mask that off for the grey, then the torn grey over the top of that?

lakespeed · Post by **lakespeed** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:48 am

What scale are you doing this in?

I have no advice to give (I have a set of decals in 1/144 to do this bird 'cause I'm a cheater

) but I can't wait to see how you pull this off. I've seen your work so I know you can do it!

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:37 am

lakespeed wrote:What scale are you doing this in?

I have no advice to give (I have a set of decals in 1/144 to do this bird 'cause I'm a cheater ) but I can't wait to see how you pull this off. I've seen your work so I know you can do it!

1/20.
Should be a breeze based on Robb's insight with the stripes.
Which makes a lot of sense in hindsight.
It's one of the great plus points in being able to call on so many friends with such expansive knowledge.
I will(Fingers crossed), begin the construction of the kit tomorrow at work.
Then it will be a matter of painting and masking, painting and masking, painting and masking, etc...

Kylwell · Post by **Kylwell** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:59 am

Bar wrote:
Kylwell wrote:Stripes (what ever color) first. Makes masking soooo much easier.
Right.
That makes sense.
So, if i read that correctly, a thorough coat of black, and then latex to mask off the stripes, then the yellow/orange on top, then mask that off for the grey, then the torn grey over the top of that?

You've got it.

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:33 am

I'll do the build tomorrow, and with any luck, the paint will be started on thursday.

lakespeed · Post by **lakespeed** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:21 pm

Bar wrote:
lakespeed wrote:What scale are you doing this in?

I have no advice to give (I have a set of decals in 1/144 to do this bird 'cause I'm a cheater ) but I can't wait to see how you pull this off. I've seen your work so I know you can do it!

1/20.
Should be a breeze based on Robb's insight with the stripes.
Which makes a lot of sense in hindsight.
It's one of the great plus points in being able to call on so many friends with such expansive knowledge.
I will(Fingers crossed), begin the construction of the kit tomorrow at work.
Then it will be a matter of painting and masking, painting and masking, painting and masking, etc...

Ahhh....I get it now. I thought you were making a Tornado but you're actually just using the scheme on something else. Sounds cool.....can't wait to see what you come up with.

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:28 pm

lakespeed wrote: Ahhh....I get it now. I thought you were making a Tornado but you're actually just using the scheme on something else. Sounds cool.....can't wait to see what you come up with.

I am 22 hours from the project starting(With about five hours of actual work in it, including the building of the kit), and i have got the main colours done.

I primed it black, masked off the stripes with Humbrol maskol, then painted it Fiat Rocket Yellow before removing the latex stripes. It still needs the grey lower painted(After i mask off the yellow/black that i want to keep)
The build folder is here for the rest of the views.

lakespeed · Post by **lakespeed** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:17 pm

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:25 am

lakespeed wrote:

:shock::shock::shock: good or

:shock::shock::shock: bad????

lakespeed · Post by **lakespeed** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:12 am

Bar wrote:
lakespeed wrote:

:shock::shock::shock: good or :shock::shock::shock: bad????

It's

*THUD*

Really cool looking. Now that I know how you did that it doesn't seem as hard as I thought it might be. I really like how you masked the stripes.

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:17 pm

lakespeed wrote:
Bar wrote:
lakespeed wrote:

:shock::shock::shock: good or :shock::shock::shock: bad????

It's *THUD*

Really cool looking. Now that I know how you did that it doesn't seem as hard as I thought it might be. I really like how you masked the stripes.

Okay.
I thought your "shock" emoticons suggested you thought it looked rubbish...
Right.
It's nearly all the way now, as i bought a few packs of cheapo "multi-tack" for this job. The reason for this is that in a bizarre twist of synchronicity, i found a webpage last night where a guy showed his technique of masking off camo paintjobs by using blu-tack(The actual page is here if anyone wants to check it out, go down the page by about 80% to get the pics of the masking). I had never heard of this technique(although i expect everyone reading this might now of it), so i decided to give it a go.
In any case, i went and bought some cheap stuff to try and mask the grey "peeling" panels on this one that way.
To be honest, i did NOT get the desired effect i was looking for, but when i took off the multi-tack i had laboriously applied, the effect i had was still cool in my eyes(Even though i hadn't managed to replicate the peeling tiger meet scheme). In my mind, due to only using the yellow, i think i have made this one look like a member of "Wasp Squadron"...
In any case, emboldened by my surprise at how much i liked it, i set to work immediately and started on drawing a paintline around the grey areas, then adding extreme weathering on the craft. Although i will accept criticism that i may have gone too far with it, i love what it looks like now that it's(Nearly) finished.
I plan on picking out some of the pipework i added to the engine in different colours, and also to mask off and paint some of the underside greeblies too.
In the meantime, i like the result so far.
Comments are welcomed(Don't be afraid to tell me it's rubbish...).
As usual, all images are HERE, in a chronological order.

lakespeed · Post by **lakespeed** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:21 am

No no no......the shock was a wow factor for me.

I think it looks great.....how did you do the weathering? It looks like bare aluminum to me.

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:57 am

lakespeed wrote:No no no......the shock was a wow factor for me.

I think it looks great.....how did you do the weathering? It looks like bare aluminum to me.

It was a Games Workshop colour(Mithril Silver), painted on with a VERY fine brush. I tried to line each panel with it, showing the wear along all the edges.
I normally reduce the filesize of my pics when they are going to be seen on forums, but here are some daylight pics with the flash off, in full resolution(Might take a second or two to load):

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/A ... 010195.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/A ... 010196.jpg

Marco Scheloske · Post by **Marco Scheloske** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:10 pm

Very cool model. Well done!

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:12 pm

Thanks Marco.
Every now and then, i feel great after i finish a model that i started...

lakespeed · Post by **lakespeed** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:28 pm

Bar wrote:
lakespeed wrote:No no no......the shock was a wow factor for me.

I think it looks great.....how did you do the weathering? It looks like bare aluminum to me.
It was a Games Workshop colour(Mithril Silver), painted on with a VERY fine brush. I tried to line each panel with it, showing the wear along all the edges.
I normally reduce the filesize of my pics when they are going to be seen on forums, but here are some daylight pics with the flash off, in full resolution(Might take a second or two to load):

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/A ... 010195.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/A ... 010196.jpg

It's a very good effect. Looks like wear & chipped paint.

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:49 pm

lakespeed wrote:
Bar wrote:
lakespeed wrote:No no no......the shock was a wow factor for me.

I think it looks great.....how did you do the weathering? It looks like bare aluminum to me.
It was a Games Workshop colour(Mithril Silver), painted on with a VERY fine brush. I tried to line each panel with it, showing the wear along all the edges.
I normally reduce the filesize of my pics when they are going to be seen on forums, but here are some daylight pics with the flash off, in full resolution(Might take a second or two to load):

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/A ... 010195.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/A ... 010196.jpg
It's a very good effect. Looks like wear & chipped paint.

Thanks.
The guys over on the Ma.K forum all do the wear and tear a lot better than i'll EVERY be able to...
Sean Brannin and Robb Merrill both make models that should be in art museums.
In comparison, i merely used the same kit they do, and slathered paint over the top.

lakespeed · Post by **lakespeed** » Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:22 am

I agree. I've watched them do a salt mask to perfection so now I'm looking to build something I can try that on.

Bar · Post by **Bar** » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:11 pm

lakespeed wrote:I agree. I've watched them do a salt mask to perfection so now I'm looking to build something I can try that on.

Totally.
If you do try it, send me a link to your pics.